There's on the western door to the eastern -- and beyond welcome tool lets talk native was John McCain. John addresses the issues of native people their communities and struggled to maintain distinction and autonomy. Call 71680315. -- wanted to join the discussion now here's your host John McCain. Say hello and welcome them -- but made of this giants game. Thanks for joining and I've got Matt -- studio and I've got -- -- his studio want to eat iceberg for joining me again. The problem there but yeah. We're gonna have. What have a discussion about energy in general Tom. And and this can. Obviously. Crosses into in the lines over environmental issues and accounting. So before I get started in two into. Deeper conversation when you're just gonna tell you with what's going with coming up here on the up and I'm gonna go to DC and the first to get my friend a great deal who has also been on the show many times is is having an art show or doing -- doing -- the show in in in the Washington area. But coming off of his. Washington Post magazine. Profile vote of his work on the last American Indian on earth. His performance are peace you know he's he's gonna. -- a show that's gonna have a lot of the last American Indian stuff on there some of the video some of the photographs. He's gonna actually duo performance piece there when he's directing. Companies also gonna have a lot of the artwork that he worked with some really good stuff I've posted some of -- eagle on might. FaceBook group page to see some stuff he's been working on in. You know and he. He almost has an aggressive nature some of it can be you know satirical. Certainly Greg is a guy that that I consider. Who like myself and activist. He just worked in different medium and a two and lightweight guys we've we've gotten close over the Euro over the last year. I look forward to going to see you show and in DC that's on on the first. In Washington and you look for op or -- more information about the when's and where's an act -- -- auspices -- that you shouldn't -- be in new area the other is happening. The day after on the on the second. He is what's supposed to be the largest student. Demonstration. I'm. In Washington on the keystone XL pipeline and this is this is going to be a Marxist -- starts from Georgetown University. People are gonna meet there. In in the Red Square of Georgetown university at 10 AM. 11 AM they're gonna arrive at Lafayette park it is a rally there. And then 12 PM. -- begin at at the White House and there is an anticipation that all these students there are are going to. Willingly get arrested yes he as a part of this demonstration. So I'm gonna go down there I'm hoping to be one of the ones who doesn't get the himself corrected. Because I do have every -- back here -- shows Sunday -- though. If I don't make -- -- -- -- if you. If if you tune in and it and I'm not there you know where I am now I don't I don't anticipate. I I'm pretty good at meandering through these. These circumstances and finding myself on. On the fringe of the deal. And I'm not gonna go down there was but to bail money so I don't plan them -- equipment in progress that. But it at -- disability a big deal and I think there's a lot of people that are there looking at this advertising deal -- the -- has been through these big view good view and great deal with it. And but down so anyway that's going to be on on the second. Stay tuned for that I will -- more information we wanna go to. XL dissent dot org that is the the website that has been. Put together. You know out this you know about this protest in particular. It now I don't know if -- if this Sierra Club or through did you doubt or any of these other guys who. Who stepped up last year when they do a major demonstration involved in this and I'm gonna. -- some of that out this week in and is he where people stand. And those a lot of -- people would. They're pretty how high profile on this issue. -- and this is the -- student thing. And an -- encouraged by this because we haven't had that kind of college student. Movement. On while these issues I have nothing in the cartoons haven't been involved. But you know back in the day -- we are younger it. It was all that the act college age student you know that we're involved in civil rights issues in war anti war issues and I can stop. And now it's. It's all all of us that are still doing that with a few young -- -- so this is this an issue here this I'm in this specific demonstration. Is being organized at the school level so I'm just following damage that -- them following. Austin so that's why I'm kind of encouragement wildly they got a real -- This nation we were. Ever a capable of what these guys -- all social media stuff in England and and and as much as were decent at it I mean consider our age it. You know we we obviously not uses cellphone with these guys like I don't you on FaceBook or Twitter. I -- actually I don't know of them. Well CI I've never about that but -- budget and hopefully -- -- people listening who don't know you. But but no the the young folks they understand this this new medium and new media better than than we do. I I fumble on I think I do pretty good considering them in my fifties here but. And -- these you know these late teen early twenty guys and I mean I've -- I sat with these guys not want these guys text. And I can't leave the speed with which they can communicate and the quality of them looking out aspect of attachments. Right but I I think they go through author of -- -- because there's. There's larger communications networks there's really use those things that. You know -- -- we are looking for anything. Would play though. -- you -- you that you get to a media black -- anymore so there is a certain safety does the safety in the numbers. But there's also a safety in in the fact it. There isn't the government control I'm not -- -- government access -- the not the government controlled flooding this this media down. So why and B because everybody. Basically has a video camera in their hands at all times that every single cell phone is a video cameras while. I'm I think that does I mean I think about my my good friend Nate -- Buckley who. Was arrested for anti war demonstration here in buffalo got you know bumped around by the FDA he not only -- charges but he's he's got a strong case right now. -- pursuing. Several different entities because they all had video of at all and you know I think about you know even you're not mad at the gallery mall. I think that things have gone real ugly when we are trying to protect that -- did that was going on there. If if the cops didn't feel the sense that. No I'm I'm being looked at everybody at the this him more than one -- in the years yet or there are dozens of on the reporter's face to videotape everything so he only was careful what he did but he's careful what he said and exorcise I'm not I wasn't going to be I mean I I understood what was what was that state -- So I think. You know there's a certain -- protection in the in the new media as well and and I think. That's what we need the young people involved and we thought my error of bringing in -- up all the stuff happening all over the world. And this scenario where we should be we should be better at this and I and and I think -- really takes it yet the populace that is college students. Because you know they're gonna be some of the decision makers coming you know it in a very short while I mean and and you know -- talk rises as the program goes on without sounding too you know Armageddon -- apocalyptic about it. There's some things that are gonna happen and you know Europe for people like us that down. We oh we spout off expressions like seven generations so easily. When I think about the decisions that that are being made by powers that be with it within -- interpret the Indian Country like Wheeler worked. It is. It is shortsighted it is shortsighted to say the least. And it violates the very concept that we have responsibilities those bases that literacy sure. And and that's what we're we're gonna talk quite a bit about that. You know. I kind of that the -- the the composition off. You and I talked about what -- clad SP had to say not only when we heard speak at Phoenix but. When he spoke at this. First or. State of Indian nations. Address. One of the statements that he made was that. Piece -- -- 10% of the United States energy resources. Are on native plants. And that struck me immediately. Is struck me immediately it that this guy who's the president of the national congress of the American Indians. And I'm not a big fan and I and I have my own I'm not saying I'm not a big fan -- Latvia and Spain and CAI in general. They seem to have liked soft -- everything they basically more part of the assimilation process. Then. And can add to concede to stand up against it when I hear the president of NCA I standing up saying. That our resources represent 10% of the of the United States resources. Of the -- how to even tallying up in terms of the percentage of the US is resource went on Arlington in my my question is how much of those. How many years. Of resources do we have not if we use it for ourselves up and it could be indefinitely could be not necessarily perpetual and everything is limited. But I think. We may have enough energy resources -- and the last of seven generations if we cared enough to maintain. And I don't see that being the case I see there being tribal administration's. Now I see either being outside investors -- either you know. Government federal programs as they programs that are trying to get at our resources and you see not just on the Canadians I would -- -- which is. Probably that ugly -- in the easiest. Examples -- vilify. But I see it everywhere and in fact what will have a bit of a conversation and in effect next segment Ross. At the Seneca nation is -- that conversation or or or. I guess the point is they're not having -- of a conversation about it we're trying to start the conversation and I know there are pushing that congress or third thing Cuba. Hope we would go back and put the native thought growth back and I just empower ourselves what we're supposed to be the stewards of the earth and and when I think about. The battle raging on with the in New York State in particular bow Hydro fracking a fraud fracturing. And you know go horizontal. Fracturing and all other stuff. You know I would hate to see the Seneca nation saying. Yeah but we're sovereign -- we can do whatever we want to do and we've got to you know millions of dollars worth of investment we -- Federal programs that are a lot will allow us to. Get in there and tap into the resources and push it into into the national utility grid. And -- and generate an X millions of dollars a year. But for how long short and and it's a way ends up happening is the Seneca people will would literally see pennies on the dollar because your ambassador being paid off. You're gonna have been for our infrastructure being paid off if you're gonna have somebody else marketing that fuel. You know and we've talked about scores the royalties. Situation that native that are put into it and had been had been born in DuBois and aren't you went on our -- that is -- assimilation process and that all thought processes. It is through card makers believe that we don't have -- parliament to. Too thinkable we would you like ourselves and we hear a class you know. I'm not here nor there. With Brian and you know in in these views on things is that you know like a ratio. And TI institution kind of moves through and you're right -- You know they seem to be just as much and affiliated with assimilation pars but very sympathetic to congress and to the you know president. And this is the it's wrong their policies this round US policies. And mandates in this really has very little -- is what we do our own. Are we feel well you know our resources. And what we should be doing in our power. Most what I got -- that there's enough. Even passive activism within in the country because. We know I know you know when we have these conversations and we say that we're gonna pay. Control even -- even and in responsible manner that. There's going to be some -- And a lot of our people in in inspection institutional. Care Steve our. Or -- forms are a necessary equipment redeem you with its. We thrown herself with the attorneys in and so on and accountants legal that grass -- receive but it's. I just attorneys its consultants it's it's an -- that it lobbyist not ego thing though with energy consult. In the energy consultants are looking at Witt the United States energy policy that they're not helping. Seneca nation develop a policy to -- secured their energy needs of the -- It's about revenue and that's what it definition. There in the US resources -- it via via you know I'm not I hate to you know I would hate anybody did -- suggest that our resources. Are automatically. Tallied up as the United States priests or or Canada for that matter and obviously you look at that the tar sands always if you. I mean there's. Under billions of gallons of our barrels of of of this crew did which easily crew of the -- be commended their and and now. They're adding content is mine in the sand now Arnie -- some of the latest stuff they're they're actually injecting. Hot steam into the ground so we can try to soften up -- most of the isn't isn't mine doubled to deep so. And now beginning this this beat you mean that that's percolating up in it and they've got weeks all over the place all this up so it's turned into. You know a series -- got all his environmental disasters happening up there you've got the in the coal ash you know problem that's happening you know in in in US -- on tennis the you've got these you know all these chemicals that are that have been spilled the associated in the pipeline leaks we aren't environmental issues. And without there being a real comprehensive. Need of policy. And environmental policy. You you have people pure -- because they beat the -- They had gotten to that to them. You know though and you see an all time charters load of a lot of big money a lot of interest that the envelope that is big business. And it affects positive effects campaign monies even within tribal elections though. But we're at daybreak and we're gonna get back into I got them where in this Greg comes Asian folks though it is -- by all means. You know I don't care where you live. If you live and and if territories. There are energy resources and -- Saturday I mean water itself as is the resources it it's actually an energy resource because now walker is being exploited. You know or or destroyed and you are painted but it's being used in the energy process so. Wherever you live you are not immune to this and in not only native but if you're not -- so I I think is an important conversation that people -- here. 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To the -- the listen to streamed live on Thursday morning. At 9 o'clock. But you can also -- -- archives there you can you can catch the conversation and I write column weekly column for the -- times -- -- -- -- -- today. EU is related to write my column the -- last last week was. That title of the government so depending on who. Rated in the topic every but. And it it was good based -- just that comment out of Brian -- -- where he said you know that I that I hear you say that 10% of the united resources are on NATO plans. Because. I have a I have a real problem that statement so that was the actually my my original title. Two times ran as our energy in -- it's -- -- -- -- isn't like that. But look for my column -- and -- -- times that's online as well you don't see their print and you can break through basically find on any news if there for your Western New York. And Ontario and and frankly. Without you know please look for the -- times I write a column every single week. I tried heat in the issue habits that different each week. I tried to apply the same earth over and over again although some things weren't going back to and I talked a lot about our commerce it which is kinda. You Wear it. And now for all the conversations that I had a book about trading commerce in our territories Ross and you're you're the chairman of the he has Seneca commission for economic development soul. We we have to at some point realize that. Every it generates money it is if -- just be justified in terms of economic development our territories and and this energy issue especially when you have to balance. Energy. Against the environment. And energy against sustainability and I don't not just on most sustainable energies like the green energy's your son you know wind you know -- the army would think. If you're gonna have if you do have energy resource appearance coal I don't care which starts its natural gas if you do have that resource at your territory. Can you be environmental recent -- environmentally responsible. About doing some level of attraction because. The real I mean let's face it that that be the most contributing factors to -- these issues. Both environmentally and profited from a profit standpoint has to do with the scale on the rig with witches of -- extracted through. If you try to scare the crap out of the earth to get to every you know every ton every you know but cubic footer every you know -- Of of you know liquid gas or are you -- -- -- stuff. Then you're gonna have a huge environmental impact and when you consider you know. How much of the United States. Electors electricity is is is coming from coal. And that coldest and Burton ala doesn't burn clean but you have. You have a residual from the you have ash that they don't know what to do it I mean even having the slurry ponds that they've been story for years and years. And now they've been leaking in and getting into -- -- you know not to ground water but you know surface -- mean it's it's -- You know the a couple of rivers have been contaminated by so all of the environmental -- this stuff is there and -- real. So how would bounds -- McCain can we do something at a rate. That it gives the -- a chance. -- we do it responsibly so so we aren't destroying it or is it -- have to be you know. Really so adamant that we that we simply just don't do and I I think there's a conversation he had well you don't there's Torres. Is. You know we're trying to have a conversation. What's acceptable where we. And then what value and can we put -- You know as far as the income -- that we're looking at third and we just the once oh yes back in I mean nets. At least what I'm hearing it's let's get another -- Let's produce electricity in the east team in minutes and Mike from group. Platform together though. We can introduce other types of energy sources while word. Pulling yes. -- the guy and I'm not talking about practicing either at this point in at this point. -- things people are saying. No we don't want and we don't want. To recognize. These. The horizontal well. Systems that are -- vertical or. Though horizontal on our -- is that the girl vertical what's been done but see the problem is. Once you take that step into developing your resource especially if you're if you're just selling off. Then it then it's gonna be too easy to say okay. Let's -- -- -- now live farther. A cobra blitz. You know where we we have the potential to have this much more revenue coming from that if we only do this. We make this environment a concession and that's how effective blockers and -- for awhile because that was embassies and sustainability right. Everybody's vote market. How much can we get house and can get it. And then when is it there and -- our reserves left in the -- we got to go someplace else there to discuss those are there. Can we use less yeah -- -- but how can we. Maximize the value so we are consuming it at that an alarming rate and that's the whole point if you can. Now we have natural gas as as an energy source for for a year where growth but also you're gonna utilized that for -- electricity or. You know warrior hold -- maybe maybe a plastics I don't what -- whatever you wanna do that but but you know certainly. To get as much value out of it so you're not just getting pennies on the dollar so that so the only way. To get more money is to do more more volume. I'm saying it values not just dollars and cents a regular here's what we get back to and I and I can't. I can't escape this. We have people freeze to death and -- territories. And I -- -- -- -- nobody froze these yours that there there but before people in the Pulitzer for -- to -- and in. In North Dakota South Dakota they're pulling more natural gas and more oil out of the ground. Any place I mean they're they're they're talking all economic -- it's been for the state you're right against -- people freak accident does that energy resource for the people and their cell. -- is selling off so you have you have tribal councils. That are making economic decisions. With -- environmental impact without necessarily sound -- we we we we make money we have -- we have programs that we want programs we do for people. But in the meantime you still people -- freezing -- -- you in you hear all the horror stories associated with you know with some of our territories. With that with the lack of energy recent what I. Electors if the position that puts you and also it's not just the fact is that sustainable but it. If it doesn't put -- in the position of understanding controlling. Win the planet goes off kilter sultan have the you know mass proportions. Well to do distant part of it is -- that is like you know when. If if things start to collapse if we start to have some of not just. I environmental issues associated with. You know with climate change -- that kind of stuff but you know you have government issues I mean you've had economy's crash you bet all the stuff so. How do you isolate yourself from how do you protect yourself from that. And energy resources -- way to do that and united and while we don't want to be a situation where we got to you know Puerto army Iran -- gas wells I mean. We should find a way that we can utilize it not just. Not just be selfish and self that are processing making sure that we're we're at least we summing regionally so we aren't necessarily just. Being -- of that arteries it isn't just going into the national utility. -- and and I didn't you know and I'm not I'm not offended by anymore but there's there's entities from other countries. The. Tied atop -- China. Owns 60%. Rate now. Of of many of the companies that are that are pulling the that the -- or a lot of out of -- so what -- -- -- so this is a lot. The money and then and over rouge and nobody in this country from a political standpoint what's it -- it is almost a lot of a great deal of money that's coming and -- development of gas and oil and coal lose his promo overseas. Well not only is is -- that and but you also. The United States is still -- -- Canada are still subsidizing. Their their energy. The energy companies and part of the and analyses they can be done with the native territory. Often they'll have borne out of these a program you know opportunity notices that are that that the federal without so there's free federal dollars for you to do it to develop a plan to develop your energy resources. And that's gonna go to utility company that's about Seneca nation developing its own ability -- -- how. -- right now we're on the current five year grant program for years two years. You know for windmill project but it's not a it's not small industrial. Resident illnesses a big -- Edison utility scale throughout that -- -- as you're right there with mrs. These are intent at least from the the government federal government side is that the -- that they can use something there's. And then go to subsidized the big utility companies essentially by by a paying for the ground work that we get in there and Roth here. The order of the organization of the -- -- do have a caller on the line so -- stay with -- -- I'll get to Europe through come back from the break. Again is a good subject to the good topic we are gonna. Have part of the conversation. That we hope continues after the show. So stay with us is it I think it's gonna get better if we would still distractions service here is John camp -- sensitive government -- studio. And coming up naturally -- forever so quote here it there after the break this looks like made of. 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It is happy -- birthday he has -- -- Friday as he would. -- -- spring who is a ever strong supporter of the program and and we've yet and he was last week's -- so. It's of a few days late but. One of which and Ellsbury happy birthday but I also in -- on our roster out of studio who. Just celebrated his birthday yesterday so I wouldn't -- Ross happy birthday is well. And up and I won't do anything you usually go bears your wife but we do that for Ursula and obviously embarrassing and -- everybody's known there's no other mayors and a did you negotiate his. Yeah we are Diego vet vet vet that sort of do both he and the other were you doing a lot of theaters this it's just happening so you do. I can't help would be envious when I wish my eight year old grandson had a birthday. Again it. It takes its scope of what it comes what does to me though -- He tells me that. Yeah eight it's it's a reminder of mortality. You know. We're not to be robber so if we don't start making the right diseases now that are gonna effect now their kids you know and you're just. Your oldest son is it you know bang out the granted the year the residues of these -- I've got six great kids already. So you know I ICI every day I'm looking in those -- -- -- Did I do enough. And if I didn't do enough when I got to start doing enough so. That's when it comes down to whoever thought a lot of that is we want you -- one -- also. -- I don't know a welcome -- from Amherst it was on line for -- this year. Ray is a regular caller and use the -- forget about weighing in with some pretty insightful stuff so well what's on your mind -- -- Asia and the good evening are happy birthday thank you. I was wondering our -- summit it would give it up I believe next year. And Bob Porter was going to. Wanted to -- Take over that stadium for the senate is. And run the power player. Does anybody know what is that so that it. Well you know that was a nice -- to the Rossi you you certainly to weigh in is authentic but as -- -- Seneca. Let me just talk about the folly of -- thing. The hard part is. -- when you when you thought a fork application you know and -- the federal energy out of it. On the commission regulatory commission perk. There's no place on their food for the for the there's no essay section where you can talk about sympathy and and about -- -- -- with the -- out. The first application pretty straightforward. You -- demonstrated that you have the the the capability. Are running a power plant producing energy so. The commission doesn't have the experts that gonna and a to have India joint venture with -- this was this was on this Seneca spent millions of dollars pursuing. And it without. A real solid game plan and without any. And any real me thing is to suggest how. The company that's been running it for you know fifteen or twenty years or thirty years -- and Rania. How do they were going to be able to displace them. And do better at this point the last I heard. They are actually kinda thought about joint venture with a company that's been running it so that they connect with and this isn't about. This was never crop producing energy for the senate of people. This was going to be about taking it over to sell energy into the grid so. There was no other than the potential for a few jobs. And it would have been a few jobs because this isn't this still wasn't exactly. Ally in the backyard of of the your average sonic and even an Allegheny with a W or sound byte was that going to be aways to go there to work for a for this and production so. The idea is not a great and I know George -- -- and some other folks were you know were you thought really highly of this whole deal and and it's nice for a sentimental value to say look that does the senate has got that's screwed out of their land on the when they put that into a dam up in. And they you know they -- illegally confiscate your condemned 101000 acres of cycle and but all of those things considered. There's no place on the application for that -- Ireland not that I vote suited up and spit it out you let's well. I think they're so please don't application there's no minority status -- any set aside provisions that. That we did spend quite a bit of money and going forward with and you know I was always a little skeptical. Because knowing that it was going to be in competition -- big utility. And that you know that's really what we're playing into it and there was a whole lot of energy that was going to come practice people. -- it was kind of this place. You know endeavor. There was lot of sympathy. With more emotionally. I'm more concerned about the -- nexus to the property and federal government is. Claiming in the eighth Army Corps of Engineers and -- thing. We don't believe that. You know that was running efficiently and housing condemn land to stand there and I'm waiting had a conversation I'm hoping that we can have conversations. How can we reclaim argument. Get in there use resources to built by x.s and and what else can we do you know can we turn our own energy product project. With wave technology you're. Or windows or anything else than in this area and there's a lot of resource base there that we're urges. Were not really think of them while he's going to be different ends. Legal action or whoever else to try to -- You know portion of energy pulled off of that that the without us they're running all thing. I mean I know the the tough or as an all -- there's -- over the -- there's money they get energy out of the the New York Power Authority and on and in -- same night I knew all old all of this was going full powers from the word go -- some things are obviously the implications. Column but the summit things that I understood earlier on despite talk of people the engineers the -- Is that. There's this then we'll probably be decommissioned and there's a huge liability associated right now there's alive -- in their -- One policies do you really want to see that on in and if you take it on for another four years most of these games there and seventy years. Well and even if the plan wouldn't be over the -- even if the plan with just to take over the Hydro production rate you still have a problem with a with a eating Dan you know soul. You what are you root for all the money that you put into this thing. Heidi you know that the that the dam is going to be sustains so what is it was a it was a third opting to mind that I don't hear from -- with -- -- but. -- dam was the third option that the or army corps had put that drafted up and from the flood control it wasn't even that the the highest I mean this was. It's just that you had people that where he's it's easy to exploit it would it was their first option wasn't nervous. If that's followers flood control and right it was the best -- it would have been the first option politically but it was though it was a third option and that was like her that goes. But flood control. Now it was originally at about eight big pushes open because of the amount of flood problems but. -- the they -- the other two options had a huge political hurdles. And as the senate there's word the -- easy target so. I don't think this was intended. To destroy the Seneca nation I just you know in in my opinion I just think that this the stagnation was the easiest target to exploit because they didn't want to meet. Let's face it it's not a huge voting constituency that you know so this was an easy way that that nobody was was going to you know there was -- can be any. Bad politics that is think if you just -- apathetic as it was there was no. There's no political capital -- Democrats for Republicans. And we -- you know in the -- What other what other question I have. -- 'cause -- the ethics committee formed or insignia was saying to form. How serious is the Seneca. Mission. Taking the energy. Development. Question. In the nation it seems to me it's a very serious. Question and a committee. That the committee had been informed. Week. As a Seneca commission for economic -- on this one and issues that we're not the only nation entities that it's. Pardoning or so we're trying to pulled together and natural resources as the MC. Environmental environment. Gaming we have just started those talks. In fact we have a few meetings this week to talk -- we're -- formal place. That how we're how we're gonna get chewed the council meetings. The and then how we're gonna get through the public the people here on. You know what what we can filter through them and see where they want to be. This is a very serious subject for the nation and I believe -- and even taking -- wind energy. Questions of wind energy in and how -- -- and that kind of thing it's it's something that I would pay. Period committee. Needs to be formed. And get that much you know input and expertise. Hopefully within the native community. Two. Come to some authoritative. You know. Resolved. As to how to handle energy. Resources and selling them. I'm -- having -- your arm because this is clearly the future. AG. We sources. You know they're gonna determine economy. And begin. That -- resources by that native people see that the -- saying right there. Not tonight but that's not what Andy this conversation has really been about in a lot of native territories it's about exploiting the energy resources -- you know for the for profit. And I mean don't get me wrong but it's not necessarily. At the -- people and when you talk about bringing in the expertise. Our problem isn't there's plenty of people who are willing to -- it will all kinds of expertise about energy. But there's not a whole lot of people are willing to come with come to the table with -- expertise about. How we have to -- it ourselves after this I mean so if you're not gonna factory and a native speaking and only only way of thinking if you're not every and holding a -- with the -- And out and out up about environment and and by environmental impact and not just something that. You -- you -- you can -- This is about them is gonna have long term effect and you kinda -- yeah I know -- funny people have issues Lou would bird strikes with you know and and I've ever I've seen a lot of the data on and the stuff and and at while that's not as big a concern to me. But you you got eagle issues so who you know you -- that bird strikes are an issue so. If you're talking about doing large. A wind energy resources used utility scale. You're gonna pop pop up billions oftentimes coming in to develop a you know -- hundred you a unit of facility. And so what when you -- to actually see anything that. Are you just turn your you don't turn your territory into a wind energy farm for somebody else's benefit for investors for for utilities. Because at that doesn't that does nothing for the people. And it'll be years and years before anybody got that. I think there are geared -- idea to used to how -- we. Create more energy for our own people. To reduce the amount of energy we use and reduce the dependency. On the exterior sources and an end but again I'm a Clinton by the alternative thinking also of the of the green energy and and reduction of these. Yeah I think the idea of trying to develop conservation. Sustainable energy not to sustainable. Because the -- to sustain a bus that but sustainability. In terms of scale. It. Well but here what you too quickly involved in. And forming committees or. This is yeah -- and -- they showed it to me -- Tell us what the chairman of the hello the one of the -- and -- confident and we are the ones that have been looking for a note -- with a couple of others and do those things that we have with the quivers here's. Energies. It's now underneath its mission. Well so we do. And worked retail Actividentity we didn't -- when you commission and our first I've heard Rico to department right with in our communities okay. Welcome resource to so that we can. First I think that's that's very port like you said it in the I promised them. Well good good luck -- and it's a serious. Undertaking and article. Is that -- you're more in the future. We'll -- we'll do more shows that this is that they this is an even my first attempt to talk about obviously my column to a times addressed a little bit. We've document back to Ross you can on New York we actually talked about it. Imus showed on their little bit but I'd like island. Little -- what we're talking months years that not too often do you actually get to talk about the concept of using and they thought process right you know you can talk about energy energy needs you know the power of energy and you know the economy of energy but how does that fit within the native country. The wind and have a reasonable spot process but because you know I'm I know I've listened to the conversation about doing the -- with the wind resources off of Cape Cod and I've heard people say well. You know we do ceremonies are -- and we can't have those Windmills blocking the sun from coming up which you know I know I'm exaggerating but. But -- into the point is you know. You you have to weigh out what what is the alternative also I mean and and that's keep in mind how much of the United States energy how much of their that we console -- even if -- -- are coming from coal fire plants so we have to be. Cognizant of all of that and realize that. What if we make a decision whether we make a decision or not decisions are going to be made that are gonna back so we have to be part of the conversation in at least. Could be on. We can set that standard be a model for other people and that's. Wonder why because again we we can in we can throw away though the industrial politics and almost guns in other words. We can law real low alternative and it's used in Cuba in move forward and power of our shareholder dividends. -- You know except you know and and and I don't mean to say that this scared the heck out of -- but you know but I think this this time in the in hates this country. Alone Angeles native communities blows the world's needs someplace these things and being -- And now I think we can do that I think that we can teach some people some things but we have to be willing to have the conversation that we do the right things railroad thank you for Colin and I got to go to break here. As always and stay tuned we're gonna -- this is a subject we're talking about -- for the whole show here but we're gonna continue to talk about the stuff and keep the conversation going on Saturday -- it is important that the people understand what what's with this stay here. Again is John -- I've got Ross honesty I've got a man on studio we're talking and energy and we're gonna have one more thing about it -- c'mon back. You'll be glad you took the time to stop and say that the your quick smoke shop on the counter -- territory of the Seneca nation right -- -- Wanda -- 38. The -- -- smoke shop is a full service convenience store and gas station. Providing discount tobacco products gas diesel and propane. To convenience stores open from 6 AM to 10 PM daily but the gas pumps and pump house are open 24 hours seven days a week. -- quick smoke shop -- -- -- so let's talk native with John King show on KV 1520. 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How do we did that utilized or stop utilized the energy resources we have our territories. And and factor that into a sexy not just the United States energy policy or any kind of global energy policy but our energy policy you know how do we. How do we begin to tackle what the first stop what our needs are. And what is the appropriate way to address those needs especially factoring in. You know seven generations those bases will never see factoring all of those things that are supposedly inherent do we are. That oftentimes we you know we we forget we're building casinos and and and -- -- administrative buildings you know and I know that there was. Some energy energy issues addressed in terms of trying to get leed certification on some of the buildings but. You know a lot of times the had to do more and more to do with how you lighted parking lot you know -- then whether the building was really. Energy efficient and sustainable and -- nobody talks. I don't I'd never seen anybody. In in any of our territories and certainly nobody New York State has developed a residential. Development. That was you know that all methyl groups or that. Monday -- on my opinion is is the lead this week. They are very it would it was sloppy it was lovely by that and the big energy industry and because they want to mistaken on table from them so this was in the basic compromise. That was put together so you know okay lead this -- -- -- -- start you know you've got subtler ground no it's not it's not really where. Creativity of mine and in the process and they -- -- way beyond that. Yet and and and and we need to start thinking about. You know. How it comes home. I mean. And what are we what are we really going to impact the the average you know. You know mom dad and two and a half -- -- here toward yeah because it's not just about building. An administrative building or or community center you know that that gets some sort of standard. If world I mean that -- in the one woman who who froze to death in on the -- territory North Dakota. She was essentially in a trailer. You know she was doing harm or her home she was how city. Runs at a propane freezes and and a building that essentially Europe trailer that. Was not built for North Dakota it was probably more like a FEMA trailer or something like that you -- things that are. You know just totally on you know under -- for the environment and and frankly that's what a lot of housing is like in Indian Country so. When we talked about trying to set a standard we we've got two people were trying to be tomorrow. For one that we want to try to set a standard that other needed surgery involved but also -- native communities so it would start -- I've. I'm in intrigued by this tiny house thing this this idea of building a house with a thousand square feet instead of 3000 square London and trying to figure out. You know how can you build a build a space that is our ergonomic enough to where you feel like you've got the room -- without necessarily. Haven't have a facility that does that has the cost you 300 dollars a month the I mean these are the kinds of things that that. We can start to do on our territories and I go to I went out to California for the sort of count on this that this past October because. I want to see with some of the latest and greatest technologies work. That that -- again off the shelf. 40. Energy homes or net zero energy home. Nobody in Indian Country is even addressing and and and frankly nobody outside of any countries develop as addressing it in any major way he got out of here. You gotta have your own money in Indy and in order to get out again -- federal Indian -- and programs are programs that are out there. The Seneca nation is is is one of the territories and homeless and the only one that is starting to that. But again what kind of standards again we haven't really had a conversation and vote. Energy efficiency that we need to talk vote in that and things you know we're. We're kind of just going to blow what would leave without realizing that we can take. A huge step we get our standards right we have we will establish their own criteria you on the great departed this is -- gates beyond. Just the idea of of energy efficiency this sometimes this gets into. Each user related to one. CPS. -- the child custody issues. Because often that you'll say wallop gave Europe a mom with with two kids you've got to have a three bedroom. House. And so you've got you've got all of these other issues that are that are weighing on you. I mean. Let's -- it back candidate. We have no problem. Have acted at 34 kids and a bedroom you know at these at the bunk beds and literal but now you've got you literally had accuses them of -- that he. Other agencies predicting that you can't you can't -- you can't reach your kids that way so even though we're making that argument vast sovereignty and autonomy. We know because there there are these other pressures out there that are dictating milieu that your house has to be yes and at some point we have put a stake in the ground they now what I -- -- to be and whether I've got the you know YouTube -- -- going to be in a bedroom or not. Is not your call. And and it's so. The idea when I look at these homes even in California. You had all these transformer of spaces and now we were using in wind and solar -- -- in all kinds of you know you -- it. Solar thermal and the so awful with the baltics yet all this stuff. And I know this sounds well not this doesn't sound like an energy numbers that you but it absolutely. At some point we've got to deal with say no we're gonna change what our policy is and we're gonna figure out. What is it what is the most fit most efficient way to utilize whatever the resources are weathered the flowing river. Everyone of our territories of the river Florida so we can be we be doing some level Hydro electric. We we can be doing -- we'd be in solar and we do have. Natural gas some territories. Are going to harvest -- extract a certain amount of Parsons or -- put to use in a way is it yourself right. Maybe it isn't about putting in a barrel throwing in a pipeline we had to be so we have to become. Less. -- -- -- -- the industry norms -- or. Because in the -- were not designed for us so so why are we -- ourselves in that were worked real -- -- up north elderly and their. And we're open is that. You know we as -- territory are going to invest in our own energy production. Which gives us the control to do it but we're also going to be utilized. Which means that. What a way to grow our programs as used in. The casinos or is the administration buildings and. You know our own homes that there was a major energy consumers already hurt Sony consumer and so you already have a market even just based on your nation buildings. And you or that your major and prices of that unit in of itself. You -- got a captive market for that that's -- getting into the residential stuff that's right. So the -- and I think that's that's what kind of gets missed and all this and and you know the thing is. But nobody -- no no not -- in their -- give themselves from issues with other -- room. Use than their own. You know use in their own anchor of building. -- well or. You know generation of -- one as an effort that's the problem and let's face it they're in there that is capital because right now they're paying for that power to refugees utilized -- the utility in the building went up yourself for ourselves and probably harmless ray knows I'm given away about -- honestly believe that we may make it attractive but at the same time. And then you can crawl walk run not hurting you you very got a market you know maybe you don't have to maybe -- and best. Billions into your energy resources -- that maybe just maybe it's tens of thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands not millions of dollars. But billed it as you can and as you need it here's the problem bill as you can manage -- -- The group of people in is you people are able. That -- And bring some of their own ideas that. -- and then when we come back from Brigham and I wanna talk about. The. The disconnect with the way the federal programs -- themselves towards native territory and tribal councils is in particular tribal government. Managing energy resources you others like this this real emphasis on. The socialism. Associated with tribal government as long as it accommodates the American capital -- them. Where you have the United States in other areas like Venezuela and others that a condemned socialism and you and you see -- -- I have a conversation not as a defense the reporter for Venezuela. But as. To demonstrate the kind of paparazzi. That did exist with the an American policy as it relates to how you view that a country like that verses how you treat -- native territory. It's information it's eye opening to -- the just to be to understand the differences yet and it's it's easy to get swept it. Sort of dusty ground line ahead of debate was on my of my friends who may be listening. Robert Davis in the North Carolina -- -- -- he had posted down one of these right wing. News reports on the violence that's happening in in in correctness than other places in Venezuela. It's all looked -- me is not covering it and and you know the reality is. You've got. -- is that there's something else going on there that people are talking about it and -- upset about little bit after the after the break here. Look you know where it -- the hour -- every now this is John. Do -- not native we'll be right back after. These these Buffalo's home court ESPN radio on fifteen. 20 AM. WW GB.